March 05 2008 Conference Call

Conference Call Notes

Drafted by Christopher Carfi, March 5, 2008 Added to by Adriana Lukas, March 5, 2008

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Attendees

• Dean Landsman
• Adriana Lukas
• Bart Stevens
• Charles Andres
• Iain Henderson
• Christopher Carfi
• Keith Hopper
• Brett McDowell
• Joe Andrieu

Previous Action Items

1. Send query on email list about use of main list. Is that working better? - Joe - By Friday Feb 22, 2008
2. First draft position paper - Dean - By Friday Feb 29, 2008.

Notes

Vision Committee (Dean)

• Ven diagram of individual and enterprise perspectives - the overlap should be larger that than the spare space; much should be shared although different angles
• Chris joined that group (visions committee) as he understands CRM and its beginnings
• how code would end up coming into or out of the vision
• next Wednesday afternoon (12th March) a meeting with, Doc, Keith, Chris and Sean in Cambridge – incorporating user and the enterprise – coding something very vaguely,
• at the moment too many definitions, bunch of discussions in lots of places
• need to have some degree of definition otherwise VRM becomes kind of where CRM is i.e. fragmented.

Bart: flagged up a paper about next level of CRM by O'Reilly, which mentions VRM and Doc Searls, business values for a consumer and a value for a vendor Dean: VRM is not just business

Standards Committee (Joe)

• Drummond and Joe have looked at multiple ways to "name" the users of VRM for the first use case
• Challenge: Who is the "user" and the conflict with "user-centrism"
• Resolved -- Broken out to "actors" (people or systems, eg. vendor or individual) and "roles" (e.g. "adressee," who manages his address in the system)
• Will be looking at the specific Use Cases for the Personal Address Manager service.

Organization Committee (Doc)

• Dean will wheedle.

Usage Committee (Adriana)

• Trying to organize people to get together F2F
• Doing monthly get-togethers in London
• Organizing a smaller gathering on 15April in London (goal: identify problems that VRM can address for real people)
• "I don't talk to companies, I talk to people within companies" - connecting people who might be interested in the concepts of VRM
• Goal - open doors

Compliance Committee (Iain)

• One option on table to outsource compliance to Liberty Alliance, but more discussion needed.

Events

• European Meeting last week - part of monthly VRM Hub social meetings in London. Next one is on 27th March, 2008.

• Scratch your VRM Itch, 15-April-2008 in London - Adriana
  • For those who have been following VRM for a while
  • For those who want to make VRM work
  • For users, no agenda, user-driven
  • Sort of like IIW, but without presentations
  • Most attendees will already know each other
  • Approximately 35 attendees

• Upcoming EU Identity Conference in Munich
  • 22April to 25April
  • "VRM day" will likely be 22April

• June Workshop - still trying to set dates, likely in Boston

Open Discussion

• Dean is looking for examples of VRM or things that are like VRM, even if those examples predate the term VRM itself in order to start a file of these examples.
  • Eventful Demand - aggregate user demand to find enough value to have performers show up

• IT and such
  • Kevin Marks looking at Google Groups
  • It appears people are signed/signed up, but can't sign in

• Overlap with Data Portability
  • Both need to start with user
  • Adriana and Joe have had interactions with the DP group

Action Items

• Dean to connect with Doc regarding date for VRM June Workshop
  • Note: Last year, there was much VRM interest at the Supernova conference. Supernova this year runs 16-Jun through 18-Jun in San Francisco

Next Meeting

March 19 2008 Conference Call